How This Streamer Turned A Whole Community Against Her - Pokimane | TRO


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Published: 6 months ago
The Right Opinion: How This Streamer Turned A Whole Community Against Her - Pokimane | TRO

Now I’ve covered Twitch streamers, before, and I’ll cover Twitch streamers again, because they are a highly interesting set of people, and in spite of the fact that many of them are categorised by commentators, they are all at least somewhat distinguished in what they do. In a video last year I covered Zoie Burgher, someone whose rise to meteoric stardom was paired with an equally catastrophic fall, she was an absolute magnet of drama, and one of the more sexually suggestive characters out of that legion, but at the same time, she was her own individual character, she was banned off Twitch, and mainly gained infamy for antics on YouTube and subsequent drama. On the other hand we have female streamers, who may well be considered attractive by the audience, I mean, who doesn’t want to look their best on camera, but at the same time doesn’t necessarily seek to exploit that. And this is where we reach Pokimane.

Pokimane is someone who is established on both YouTube and Twitch, with over two and a half million subscribers slash followers on each platform, that’s something which cannot be ignored, she does some gaming, she does some reaction based videos, but overall, as people go she’s not an individual who has received exceptional attention. This is fairly typical for most genres, with a fairly undemanding audience, much less demanding than the ones who watch critical commentators like myself. Most commentators also tend to have a list of people who are controversial and easy to make videos on, this is a rotating list of people, typically including Ricegum, the Pauls, Morgz, KSI, Deji, with a bit of variation between certain YouTubers, maybe you’re a bit more interested in people like Emma Chamberlain, maybe you like making thought pieces on who the next Content Cop is gonna be on or even if there will be a new Content Cop. What this means is that although people will be doing shady or at least debatable actions, if the public isn’t focusing on them then it’ll probably pass under the radar, and a lot of creators, including the person we’re going to discuss today have been sheltered from that sort of environment.

However, as spoken about in the past, the alienation of drama, can often mean that when it eventually does confront one of these people, it means that they are way out of their depth with no idea of how to actually handle it, generally this has meant that in the history of Twitch Streamers vs Commentators, the Twitch Streamers tend to lose. Looking back to Pyrocynical vs Zoie Burgher, Pewdiepie vs Alinity, and yes, in both of those situations, it’s fairly reasonable to argue that you could side with Pyrocynical and Pewdiepie in the situations regardless of the outcome, but as much as the circumstance does comprise the drama, the handling, and presentation are equally important. Another real problem is how a lot of this drama can often be perceived, exposé videos have been monopolised recently by the commentary genre, and so attempting to make any sort of response to them, is the equivalent of going to play an away match, you’re entering someone else’s stadium, and you’ll be attracting their audience, even if you’re responding on your own channel. One of the problems with a lot of drama is that it always feels like an us vs them, you really are expected to side with one of the people involved, and often there is a clear moral high ground when it comes to the claims, but often when there isn’t we have to look a bit closer than many people choose to.

The thing about drama, is that whatever yields from it can be assumed as some sort of moral standard, even though we often forget about the conclusions we make and just contradict ourselves in the future, I’m a man who does enjoy some sort of consistency, because whatever disputes occur do have reputational legacies, and it’s important that we’re holding people to account, but not unfairly singling them out because of some subconscious bias, so let’s talk about today’s situation.

On the 28th of December, a very small YouTuber by the name of Fainted released a video called “The Dark Side of Pokimane”, in which he alleged, that while the public’s back was turned, Pokimane had done some pretty shady stuff, I’ll be breaking down the details in a moment, but like some of the infamous streamers in the past, some of the main claims were on the notion of copyright striking, or as many people now like to call it, “copystriking”, firstly in the incident of a series of uploaded Twitter clips on a feud between her and Keemstar, and secondly on a channel that reuploaded stream clips of her, known as DavCev. These are both fairly separate situations, but fell under the umbrella of criticism that Pokimane was facing down.

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EDITING CREDITS BELOW: Hope this video will do for now, have a more ambitious one coming soon.
ONE CORRECTION: DAVCEV IS NOT AN ADULT, HE IS 17, I DON'T THINK THAT CHANGES MY POINT THOUGH.
Not entirely happy with how the audio came out in this video, which might mean it’s a tad off my preference for next couple videos. Also sorry if the filter on the third part is a bit strong, did ask the guy if he could change it but he’d deleted the files, don’t worry, he won’t be eating for a week. Also don't know why the visuals restart at around the 11 minute mark, please forgive me. I hope you enjoy the video nonetheless, had trouble coming to confident grips with the draft versions.

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6 months ago

Old vid, I know, but you are good enough of a commentator that listening is the enjoyment in and of itself.

I just realized that the case Keemstar may have been referencing involves a British channel by the name of Cassette Boy if I recall correctly. I've heard the name come up in a similar context because he was sued for copyright in the UK over his style of video, that being to cut up interviews and lines of one of the British Top Gear hosts and reassemble them with some picture changes. The courts ruled that to be fair use, despite the fact that Cassette Boy offered none of himself in any of his videos, it was all the host's words, just rearranged by Cassette Boy.

Since you didn't know then, and I think I may have hit the nail on the head here, posting for your benefit.

3 months ago

what city appears at 0:06 and what is the game at 0:38?

4 months ago

B E G O N E T H O T

5 months ago

At 24:51 your Youtube upload screen is in Turkish, lan yoksa?

5 months ago

Hey, The Right Opinion. I really loved this video and watched the entire thing instead of eating breakfast. Your arguments are exceptionally well worded and I look forward to watching more of your content.

5 months ago

AllieBeeMac is a good example of a "girl streamer", because she isn't a "girl streamer"... she's just a streamer.

1 day ago

32:36 This point is so easily undone it’s hilarious. You (as in Pokimane) have been blinded by Twitch and Youtube because you are most likely creator preferred. You do not put any effort into looking at the consequences of your actions, and now you have turned the tables on yourself. If you truly cared for other creators, you would have been actively involved in the situation, while not letting it get out of hand. This is an easy point to make, but you (Pokimane) are extremely hypocritical, or as TRO puts it, you are “dangerously naive”. No matter how you look at it, you backed yourself into a corner. There will always be 8 year olds to fight for you, but in the eyes of the mature public, you are a hypocrite.

2 days ago

there is otherwise collaging wouldn't be a recognised art. you are assuming that putting something in a chronological order couldn't be conceived as transformative, but the difference between your content and that video, is only you talking and people have been sued for less. also documenting an event is educational, or am i wrong?

2 days ago

I really hate how petty a lot of the big you tubers are. I can't stand how many of them are hypocrites most of them call each other out for stuff that most of them do and the contradictions are numerous and it just show how bad it's got now. I wish these you tubers would just worry about their own channels. I do agree that if a you tuber is doing wack stuff on their channel or doing too much click bate then you can call them out cause you tube shouldn't be full of fake people. I feel that a lot of big youtubers just want drama for attention they start problems instead of making good content...

2 days ago

what a surprise another social media made up star who's shady. then the gaming industry will be labelled as sexist and toxic, while the toxicity is also brought by women !

3 days ago

Did this video about nothing need to be this long?

4 days ago

hears P5 music
Alright time to steal her heart
after video
Nvm the shorts guy is the real villain

4 days ago

lets be honest, 99 percent of the time a woman herself is just not interesting enough. they know they NEED to do certain semi porn moves . thats what generates subs who donate to her and shit like that. some of these dudes are fuckin retarded man.

5 days ago

Fucking hell there is intelligent life on YouTube! Nice video, your points were well presented and thought out. And finally I’ve found a YouTuber with my accent. Nice.

6 days ago

21:06

1 week ago

Should really help her out cos this guy it's to be put down

1 week ago

Pokimane isn’t entertaining she just has a fat ass

1 week ago

listening to TRO videos while halfheartedly playing minecraft is something i do many hours every day

1 week ago

End of the day, it's just fake personalities getting caught being themselves and the lengths they go to hide their true selves from the public for fear of losing followers. Easy solution: Quit being a fake ass bitch. This goes for everyone.

1 week ago

shitty clickbait title

1 week ago

Pokimame should be perma banned for twitch but that’s not going to happen because she’s a girl Feelsbadman

1 week ago

I really like your voice lol and like your video

1 week ago

i feel like i was getting lectured half the video

1 week ago

Dont know why this shit was recommended to me but the truth is Youtubers and twitch streamers are about the most useless things to exist. Both have given platforms to lazy ass people that sit at home playing video games, call it a "job", and play off the sympathies of lonely basement dwelling virgins by using their looks to basically manipulate people into sending them money for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. This is the saddest generation I've ever seen, and its gonna be hilarious when some of these people hit their 40s, lose their looks, and have no skillset to get an actual job after the money stops coming in. I'd love to interview one of these morons when that happens and hear them say their skills are playing games and talking at the same time...lmao. what a joke. Both companies should go out of business for providing ways for lazy ass people to get easy money. It's even funnier hearing them talk about how they need a vacation. From what, sitting at home playing games all day. Bunch of useless morons I swear. The people that send them money are even more pathetic. Get out of your moms basement and go do something with your life, instead of obsessing over these people that hide behind 3 layers of makeup and multiple filters to make themselves look better. These people wouldn't last a month at a real job.

1 week ago

Over ⅓ of this isn't even talking about Pokimane, instead, it's about other's videos covering the same topic, and then ANOTHER ⅓ is just about fair use/copyright explaining, so ⅔ of this video isn't even you talking about the main situation, about people that talked/are talking about this same situation, so in this video, you're taking way too long to get to the main actual point/subject of the video.

I know I'm pretty late to this video, but still

1 week ago

I like you, and your videos, but couldn't you use music that's not copywrited? There's a lot of youtubers who are musicians who you could ask for their songs and give them credit and help give them exposure instead of stealing music from someone else and making money off of it.

1 week ago

Absolutely no one came to this video for this music and no one likes this video because of the music. The pieces are in the description which means people who actually do like this video for the music for whatever reason can just look it up. Atlus isn't exactly losing thousands nor do I even think like $10 from some dude using their tracks as background music

1 week ago

Whats the music from at 16:50? Its extremely familiar to me and bugging me, I know its not the first time Ive heard it.

1 week ago

@Ghost Bops plus I got it within about a minute lol

1 week ago

bruh how is your name phantom thief but it didnt click immediately

1 week ago

Nvm its persona ofc

1 week ago

I like VOID's retro style!

1 week ago

Yes i’mallexx

1 week ago

2:54 look at the chat
“Black people are gay”?

2 weeks ago

Dipshit !!!🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻

2 weeks ago

Yo fuck u right opinion fainted is a small youtuber wait “very small youtuber “ im pretty sure u said go fuck ur self if ur calling him small he’s better than u better content better personality ( than umm u the dickhead ) better everything altogether and u cant talk u fuck he has more subs than u yah goddamn dumbass and I know 522 thousand is not al lot but u have less and he’s awesome so fuck u yah absolute asshole

2 weeks ago

@vigilanteDMR also just wanna add one last thing, looking at your pfp it looks like you're another hentai watcher lmao.

Oh and wtf is 'builder asmr'

1 week ago

Guys don't take him seriously, he's canadian

1 week ago

Anonymous ye nigga fuck 12

2 weeks ago

potty mouths

2 weeks ago

Man, this was just a great video on how to argue, not just the drama. You killed it, man.

2 weeks ago

Cry Us An Ocean Pokiho

2 weeks ago