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They (by they I mean studio executives) really REALLY wanted Joker to make people forget about Jared Leto. That's why a mob wearing clown masks pulls the character out of the wreckage. It's symbolic of Joker fans elevating him back to cool guy status. In my opinion, Dark Knight Returns did the whole talk show thing better. Because in that universe Joker had been a legend. Maybe they should have saved it for the sequel.
ive never seen these bozos but I hate that guy in the beige. He seems like he adores the smell of his own fartsEdit: And this came out on my birthday, what a shit gift.
Jay doesn't like edgy comic book movie as much as almost everyone else and everyone loses their minds
I actually kind of agree with Jay. So some clown dude murders three people on a subway...how the fuck does that get twisted into some "poor vs the 1%"? How the hell does that shit go "viral" in the 80s?And the part where he gets busted out of the police car was ridiculous. Joker has done nothing intentionally to be a champion of the poor. He barely did anything to become a legend. It's a total accident that the Joker became famous.And If Gotham is such a shithole, how come 3 rich dudes getting murdered is such a big deal? How the hell did the Joker even get away in that situation? Clearly people saw a clown shooting a dude in the subway. How did he get away? Did he teleport?Loved the parts that focused specifically on the Joker. But man, a lot of the plot points, like him inciting the "clown movement" and being invited to the talk show felt like they happened because they needed to happen for the movie, and not for any logical reason.
They didn't appreciate that Joker's attack against Robert DeNiro was all motivated because it was DeNiro's audience that made fun of him by playing his stand-up comedy clip. The public, because they are horrible people, demanded that he be on the show just to make fun of him. He was a sympathetic person with an obvious mental disease, but the public mocked his failed attempt to be a comedian and laughed at his expense. When he transformed, he had the clarity to realize he was being victimized. His attack against DeNiro was brilliant because that was his way to shock that whole group and say that their treatment was inexcusable and they deserve what they were about to receive.
Dude shut up about the hangover
Jay is too rich to understand this film
Just saw this felt really sloppy through the first 2 acts. I enjoyed the 3rd but there were several head scratching moments but overall decently solid movie
that dude on the right, jay i think, sounds like a total dick. even with mike tries to say certain points arent bad jay still tries to say "no your wrong its pretty shit". sounds like a cool guy to be around /s
Didnt like this movie but still Jay, only saw it once and i dont know what you're talking about. Everything was so on the nose and easy to figure out I dont see how you could miss the point.
Wtf is it with your chick
I hope so fucking much that they find a way of bringing a version of this Joker to the mainstream dc.
The drinky guy obviously is going for the "Gone With the Wind" version [in his derision??]
This is kinda bad guys
"Reactionary" IS NOT synonymous with "reactive." DO NOT conflate these two words.
50 seconds, yep these guys are still pretentious as fuck.
The inciting incident was Thomas Wayne using the murders as a springboard to run for mayor. Wayne was the reason everyone dressed like a clown because he called the lower class clowns.I just saw it and am digesting it. But the Joker practically Mr. Magooed his way into starting an anarchist revolution.Idk, I liked it. 8/10 all it was missing was Dexter Jexter and a 50s diner.Edit: read through the other comments and realized I didn’t bring anything to the discussion. I’m going now to get “unoriginal” tattooed on my forehead
Youre missing the point. This is a different dimension. Gotham City when the movie was set was basically 1930. Everyone is really poor, only a few people were rich.This sets up a great film..... Like all the Joker wanted was to make his brother laugh and be happy but it went quickly downhill.
One of the things I thought was interesting, and I’m still not sure what the intent was, was I thought the age ranges for a lot of the characters was confusing. I was never quite sure whether we as the audience were supposed to buy into the Thomas Wayne could be Arthur’s father thing or if that was supposed to foreshadow the mother making it all up. And it wasn’t the only time I found myself wondering how old the Arthur character was supposed to be- it almost felt as if the character was written to be 20 years or so younger than the actor. Like, I was guessing that Arthur was in his late 40’s- early 50’s, and his mother was late 60’s, maybe early 70’s. But Thomas Wayne only looked to be maybe late 50’s so I’m still not sure if we were supposed to pretend Joker was 30 years younger than he looked or pretend that there was a pretext that a guy only 10 years older than him could be his father? But he also looked like 60 years old and had a 10 year old so... a lot of the ages I felt like didn’t make sense. Especially because you’re to assume in 25 years or so when Bruce becomes Batman that Joker gets out, but he’d be like a 75 year old man at that point?I also wasn’t sure if it was intentional or maybe me questioning the narrator too much, but I definitely wasn’t sure after that final scene (with him in the asylum) if any of the film actually happened or if the entire thing was in his head. I definitely agree though that the other “dream sequence” stuff was way too heavy handed. I disagree with Jay though on the build up, I thought that was handled alright. I felt like the pacing was more of an issue than the build up, it wasn’t a long movie but it felt like it dragged on basically until he got his mother’s paperwork
There is no reason to believe that Batman and Joker aren't brothers in this universe. Why would you believe a decades old file folder from the Arkham Asylum? Wayne had more money than god. My prediction is that he ruined this girl's life after he knocked her up.
Trash critics. I don’t even care that they don’t like the movie. The reasons behind all your opinions are vague.
The joke’s on everyone. The entire movie was just Arthur’s delusional grandeur story being told to the psychiatrist at the end of the movie. The rioters were doing what they were doing because of the trash strike. The movie even fooled the great Red Letter Media folks. That’s brilliant.
Why hating on Todd Philips... forget about the hangover or taxi driver... this was masterpiece... and to say theres nothing clever in this movie just makes you look stupid
OMG... The protests started after Arthur kills the 3 wall street guys and Thomas Wayne goes on Tv and says anyone who is poor is a clown... thats when it all starts
You enjoy ledgers Joker (which I NEVER liked) over this one? Or even Nicholsons??? Dear lord...
What drugs be Jay on cause Goddammit get me some, the fucked up clown. 'Sprinkle into those riots'.. Also 'muh people with mental illness shouldn't start with mental illness'.
"killing 3 people and it sparks a rebellion is lazy writing" i bet thats what Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was thinking when World war 1 started
Every Christopher Nolan movie besides Memento was absolute dog shit
"Joker" was 🆗️; but this version of the character was presented as a pitiful sociopath, not the criminal mastermind who becomes Batman's greatest foe.
Joker review: 3 people die and a revolution happens? Unbelievable.Midsommar review: a girl kills her boyfriend that she loves and was date raped after seeing all his friends murdered in gruesome ways and traumatized by gore and death irl. Makes perfect sense!
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